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New teachings in the Christian Church- Where are They Leading Us?


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  1. [Back to text] Rick Joyner, The Prophetic Ministry, The Morning Star Prophetic Newsletter, Vol 3, No. 2, pg. 4: "Bob [Jones] was told that the general level of prophetic revelation in the church was about 65% accurate at this time. Some are only about 10% accurate, a very few of the most mature prophets are approaching 85% to 95% accuracy. Prophecy is increasing in purity, but there is still a long way to go for those who walk in this ministry. This is actually grace for the church now, because 100% accuracy in this ministry will bring a level of accountability to the church which she is too immature to bear at this time; it would result in too many 'Ananias and Sapphiras.' That so many the (sic) prophetic ministries are still missing so much is also meant to work humility and wisdom in them so that they will be able to handle the authority and power coming in the near future." …And we should trade the word of God for this? Note the idea that the church must "mature" God's gifting- this is more Gnosticism.
  2. [Back to text] Rick Joyner, Morningstar Journal, Vol 2, No 1: "The change that is coming to the body of Christ is so profound that the world will have a new definition of Christianity... Those who submit to Him in truth... will be the most dangerous and powerful people on earth, and will be the greatest threat to the Antichrist spirit that now sits in the church as a substitute for Him."
  3. [Back to text] As quoted in The Vineyard Movement's "Toronto Blessing": Instrument Of Revival Or Instrument Of Deception? By Bob Hunter Revised: October, 1996
  4. [Back to text] Quoted by Bill Randles, Weighed and Found Wanting, p 147.
  5. [Back to text] Rick Joyner, The Morning Star Prophetic Bulletin, May 1996, "Civil War in the Church."
    Paul Cain on the same subject: "God is raising up a new standard, a new banner if you will, that's going to radically change the expression, the understanding of Christianity in our generation… God has invited us to have a role in establishing this NEW ORDER of Christianity… God is offering to this generation something He has never offered to any other generation… Beware lest OLD ORDER brethren rob you and steal this hope from you!"
    Mike Bickle: "I believe that God is going to allow us to see and to even partake in this restoration -- this is a major statement and I want you to pay attention closely --to the restoration of the New Testament Standard... I believe that God is going to renovate the entire understanding of what Christianity is in the nations of the Earth. I believe that the way that 99% of us across the world as believers understand Christianity, in 20 years there will be a totally different understanding of what Christianity is from what it is right now. I believe the understanding of it, the standard of life and the expression of Christianity as we know it, I believe God is going to restore it and change it in the Earth in this generation." (Overview of Corporate Long Term Vision, Mike Bickle, 1/5/86, cassette tape.)
  6. [Back to text] John Arnott, Spread the Fire 1, no. 3, May/June 1995, as cited by Hank Haanegraff, Counterfiet Revival.
  7. [Back to text] Mike Bickle, Overview of God's End Time Purpose, cassette tape, 10/7/84, cited by Bob Hunter, Toronto Blessing
  8. [Back to text] Earl Paulk, Thrust In The Sickle And Reap (Atlanta: K Dimension Publishers, 1986, p. 132.) as cited by Dr. Orrel Steinkamp, D.Min., A Second Pentecost?
  9. [Back to text] Count Charles Arribavene, Italy Under Victor Emmanuel, 1862, vol II, p 389, as cited in Dave Hunt, A Woman Rides the Beast, p 131.
  10. [Back to text] Peter De Rosa, Vicars of Christ: The Dark Side of the Papacy, 1988, as cited in Dave Hunt, A Woman Rides the Beast, p 79.
  11. [Back to text] Tim & Barb Aho, http://watch.pair.com/pray.html, The Latter Rain Revival: "The following appraisal of Latter Rain theology by New Age Unity pastor, Rev. Earnest Ramsey, was cited in Constance Cumbey's book, A Planned Deception, The Staging of a New Age Messiah,
    "Rev. Ernest Ramsey, an associate pastor at Unity's Kansas City's Founder's Church, Unity on the Plaza, is an enthusiastic follower of the Alice Bailey and Benjamin Crème teachings. In his Research Report #2, he tells of something he was led to by a spirit guide - what he terms 'Neo-Pentecostalism.' An aberrant branch of Pentecostalism, this is more commonly known as the 'Manifest Sons of God.' That movement is also referred to as 'Sonship' or 'Overcomers.' Ramsey concludes based on even less evidence than I have personally collected that this is part of the New Age Movement… Already familiar with the Alice Bailey writings, he was amazed to see that there was a branch of Pentecostalism that embraced the same teachings -- albeit using sometimes different terminology. Like those seeking the 'Age of Aquarius' these people too were seeking a 'New Age.' Like the other New Agers, these people taught that 'The Christ' was an anointing - not necessarily one man. They taught that Jesus was a pattern son who was to be a sign of something even greater to come - the 'Manifestation of the Sons of God.' They too believed the earth was to be cleansed of evil. And chillingly like the other New Agers, they believed they were to be 'God's' instruments to do such cleansing. The New Agers believed they were gods. The Manifest Sons of God likewise taught that if one accepted their 'new revelation' that they themselves would actually become Christ at the time of the unveiling or manifestation of the Sons of God." ( Constance Cumbey, A Planned Deception, as cited in "Constance Cumbey's New Age Monitor," Aug.-Dec. 1987)
    Other prominent New Age leaders have openly expressed the intention of their movement to infiltrate the Christian Church in order to introduce their esoteric teachings and to "draw away disciples after themselves." [Acts 20:30] In The Unfinished Animal: The Aquarian Frontier and the Evolution of Consciousness, Theodore Rosak revealed that, "Charismatic congregations in main-line churches are entry points into the Aquarian frontier." (Theodore Rosak, Unfinished Animal: The Aquarian Frontier and the Evolution of Consciousness, as cited in Strange Fire, Travers van der Merwe, (Conscience Press, P.O. Box 17346 Des Moines, IA 50317-0346), p. 32)
    Alice Bailey, Theosophist and mother of the modern New Age Movement, revealed an ingenious plan in her 1957 volume, The Externalisation of the Hierarchy. Cabalist agents would infiltrate the Christian Church to modify its message, while adapting it as a vehicle for the Universal Religion of the 21st Century. "…The church movement, like all else, is but a temporary expedient and serves but a transient resting place for the evolving life. Eventually, there will appear the Church Universal, and its definite outlines will appear towards the close of this century…" (Alice Bailey).
  12. [Back to text] Byron Mode speaking at Toronto Pastor's Conference, as quoted by Tricia Tillin, "The Manchild Company," 1995
  13. [Back to text] As cited by Bill Randles, Weighed and Found Wanting.
  14. [Back to text] Mike Bickle, Glory and Dominion of Sonship, Part 2, cassette tape, as cited by Bob Hunter, The Toronto Blessing.
  15. [Back to text] I highly recommend Bill Randles' book, Making War in the Heavenlies, A Different Look, for a biblical perspective of the subject. Can be ordered from Bill Randles, 8600 C Avenue, Marion IA 52302, price is $10.
  16. [Back to text] Though I don't agree with some of the doctrinal beliefs presented by this site, those who have access to the internet and the RealAudio program (which can be downloaded free) can view and hear actual videos of the Toronto Blessing for themselves at http://www.bible.ca/tongues-audio-video-documentation.htm#scotland. I highly recommend seeing before forming an opinion.
  17. [Back to text] Transcribed from "Bible Answer Man" radio program by Joseph Chambers.
  18. [Back to text] Report date: 26 april 1997. from Jim Wies' Pro-Pensacola List: cathy wood (the testimony is from a woman who is prominently involved at Pensacola (- a leading member of their prayer ministry team).
  19. [Back to text] Carol Arnott, "Receiving the Spirit's Power," Together for the Kingdom '95 audiotape 793C, as cited by Hank Haanegraff, Counterfeit Revival.
  20. [Back to text] Well known word-faith teachers include Kenneth Hagin, Kenneth Copeland, John Avanzini, Morris Cerullo, Paul Crouch, Benny Hinn, Jerry Savelle, Fred Price, Robert Tilton, Marilyn Hickey, David Yonggi Cho. (2Pet 2:3)
  21. [Back to text] (This church eventually went on to split into a number of warring factions.)
  22. [Back to text] Evangelicals Now, February 1995; Mike Taylor, Evangelicals Now, 2/95
  23. [Back to text] John Arnott, Toronto Airport Vineyard, Dynamics of Receiving Spiritual Experiences, Friday, November 18, 1994, 1:30 pm Audiotape Transcript
  24. [Back to text] John Arnott, Toronto Airport Vineyard, December 16, 1994
  25. [Back to text] Midnight Cry Ministries, http://www.midcry.org/tragic.htm
  26. [Back to text] Sadness, Fear Fill Members Who Left Brownsville: Worship Turned Bizarre, Frightening, The Pensacola News Journal, 11/17/97.
  27. [Back to text] D.R. McConnell, A Different Gospel, Hendrickson, 1988, p.52: [those] "who naively assume that healings vindicate truth are overlooking the fact that almost every major religion and cult the world has ever known has produced healings. For every god there is a religion, and in every religion there are healings."
  28. [Back to text] M.H. Reynolds, reprinted from FOUNDATION magazine, Vol. XII, Issue 1: "…Deere's remarks were made during a visit of Wimber and his team to Sydney, Australia as reported in the April, 1990 issue of The Briefing. a publication of St. Matthias Press in London, England. During a question and answer session following one of the seminars taught by Deere, he was asked, "What is the Gospel?" Since his answer seemed vague and evasive, a man by the name of Graham Banister questioned Deere further on this matter in a personal interview afterward. We quote his report:

    "Let me briefly explain the background to this interview. The Thursday workshop provided a time for questions and during this time I challenged some of Dr. Deere's teaching. In the ensuing dialogue, he asked me what I thought the gospel was. I replied that it was about Jesus Christ who died for our sins and was buried and raised on the third day and that it is this gospel by which we are saved (1 Cor.15). His reply was that this was not the gospel. Somewhat confused, I decided to take up the matter at a future time, hence the following revealing interview.
    After introducing myself, I said to Dr. Jack Deere, 'I wonder if you might tell me why you felt my explanation of the gospel was defective yesterday?' To which he replied, 'I'm not really very prepared to talk about that.'
    I must admit that I was a little surprised at this initial response, considering he had just finished speaking to five and a half thousand people on false teachers. Added to this was the fact that two days earlier he had informed us of the many ancient languages in which he had become proficient in order to fully understand the Bible. I wouldn't have thought someone with such impressive credentials would need to do all that much preparation for a friendly discussion on the content of the gospel. Given his lack of preparation, I then asked, 'Well, just off the top of your head, what do you think the gospel is?' Jack Deere replied, 'I'm not prepared to make a formal statement about that.' . . . My next question was, 'Could you perhaps tell me informally what you believe to be the gospel?' Jack Deere answered, 'I'm not sure.' Somewhat stunned, I said, 'I find that quite surprising-that you are not sure what the gospel is.'
    Jack Deere then commented, 'I used to be just like you . . . thinking the gospel was simply justification by faith.' I responded, 'Are you saying that the gospel is more than justification by faith?' 'Yes,' he said. 'What would you add to it?' I asked. 'Deliverance,' he said. Then I asked, 'What do you mean by Deliverance?' He explained, 'Things like demons and healing and....' Pausing for a deep breath, I said, 'So, let me get this straight. You would add as an essential part of the gospel things like the exorcising of demons and healing?' He nodded. 'Sort of like what John Wimber was saying last night at the evangelistic rally that it's the complete package-the word and the works of Jesus?' 'Yes,' he said. 'But you're not sure exactly what should be included?' I asked. 'No,' he said, 'not yet.'
    Not sure of what to say next, I asked, 'Would it be fair to say that you're in a state of flux since you joined the Wimber thing?' He quickly responded, 'We're always in a state of flux-you are too ....' 'But on the gospel message?' I said. 'Surely that's one thing we should have worked out ... Don't you think we can reduce the gospel to some sort of summary statement like Paul does in say 1 Corinthians 1 and 2 or 1 Corinthians 15 or 1 Thessalonians 4 or Romans 5 or...' There was no response except a shrug of the shoulders.
    Continuing to be amazed, I said, 'Are you saying that you couldn't go back into that pavilion and tell those people the gospel?' He replied, 'No not yet.' I responded, 'When do you think you could do it?' And he said, 'maybe five years, maybe ten....' After this we chattered on about a few other things but I remained stunned that one of the leading minds, if not the leading theological mind in the Signs and Wonders Movement, did not know what was the gospel."

    How could any true believer not be stunned by such statements? But, John Wimber and other power evangelism leaders apparently were not stunned nor even concerned. Why? It appears that this power evangelism third wave movement has spent so much time trying to hear God speak (prophetic messages) that they are ignoring what God has written (the Bible)." Fundamental Evangelistic Association P. O. Box 6278-Los Osos, California 93412 http://cnview.com/on_line_resources/false_prophets.htm
  29. [Back to text] Jeff Spencer, M. Div., The Occultic World-View of the Brownsville Revival: "Steve Hill gave this testimony on 20/20 television news program in October 1997. He said on October 28, 1975, he was an atheist who had just gotten out of jail. His mother brought home a Lutheran minister to talk to him. All the Lutheran minister told him was that to have his life changed, he needed to say the name of Jesus over and over again. Steve then began to repeat the name Jesus over and over again. After a while of constant repetition, Steve claims an awesome power came over him which changed his life. He recounts the story in his book, The Pursuit of Revival. Without presenting the Gospel to the atheist Hill, the minister told Steve, "Just cry out the name Jesus! Jesus!" …As argued in my article, "The Deception of the Elect, Part Two," Hill's experience is based in the occult, not Christianity. In short, Hill used the occultic technique called a mantra… What is the problem here? If Steve Hill is telling the truth about how he "got saved," then he is not saved-unless you believe that salvation can come apart from believing the true Gospel and apart from the true Jesus Christ. …The Bible claims that one is saved by believing on the Lord Jesus Christ and His finished work on the cross. However, Hill was "saved" through the repetition of a name. …To put it another way, the gospel was never presented to the atheist Hill… there is an alternative explanation for what happened to Hill that day in 1975. Hill's experience is exactly what happens in Hinduism, occultism, and the New Age. The repetition of a word over and over again is the occultic, New Age, Hindu, or Buddhist practice called a mantra. When a mantra is repeated, a power overcomes the speaker. This is exactly how Hill describes his conversion! So, the main man behind the Brownsville revival, if we take his testimony to be true, is not even a believer in the true Jesus, but an occultic Jesus that overcame him while he was repeating a mantra over and over-and this same occultic power is overtaking the people who go to visit Brownsville."
    Steve Hill also wrote an account of his life, called "Stone Cold Heart," which was shown to be filled with falsefications. For instance, Hill does not have the criminal record he claims to, nor is his claim that he was a heroin addict true. Hill has admitted in a newspaper interview that he fabricated these facts for effect. "Hill's bio fraught with fallacies: Revival leader admits he inflated stories," 11/18/97, The Pensacola News Journal. "No lie is of the truth," 1Jn 2:21.
  30. [Back to text] Kim Clement, "Praise the Lord," TBN, 6/1/99
  31. [Back to text] "Conroy disputes spontaneity of worship: Revival insider says she was told to fake it," The Pensacola News Journal, 6/21/98.
  32. [Back to text] Eric S. Weiss, THE FINAL QUEST by Rick Joyner: A Review and Critique, © 1998: "Rick seems to rank the levels of prophetic revelation as:
    "1.Prophetic 'impressions' which can be affected by our own feelings, prejudices, and doctrines. These can include visions which are seen with "the eyes of our heart" (this phrase figures prominently throughout the book).
    "2.A conscious sense of the Lord's presence, i.e., the anointing of the Holy Spirit, which he says was probably experienced by the apostles as they wrote their New Testament epistles, but which can still be influenced by one's prejudices.
    "3.'Open visions,' which have less possibility of being tainted.
    "4. A trance (e.g., Peter before going to Cornelius' house (Acts 10:10); Paul in the temple (Acts 22:17).
    "He states that most of the visions in THE FINAL QUEST came on the fourth level, i.e., a trance. He also states that he doesn't know how this knowledge came to him." http://www.despatch.cth.com.au/Engstrom_THE_FINAL_QUEST_by_Rick_Joyner.htm
    Another good review can be found at: http://www.despatch.cth.com.au/quest_joyner.htm
  33. [Back to text] Marc Dupont, The Father's Heart And The Prophetic, Toronto Airport Vineyard, 11/16/94
  34. [Back to text] Wes Campbell, Toronto Airport Vineyard, 10/14/94, as cited by Hank Haanegraff, Counterfeit Revival.
  35. [Back to text] Joyner, Morningstar Prophetic Bulletin, 5/96
  36. [Back to text] Cheryl Thompson, A Memoir of The Vineyard 1986-1994: "In 1992, The Morningstar Journal (Vol. 2, No. 3) published an article written by Joyner entitled: "A Vision of the Twelve Cities". Rick Joyner is editor of The Morningstar Journal, published in Charlotte, North Carolina. He is associated with Paul Cain, Francis Frangipane and other "prophets" from Kansas City. Mike Bickle, pastor of the Kansas City Fellowship, is a frequent contributor to Joyner's magazine."
  37. [Back to text] The Pensacola News Journal, 4/5/98
  38. [Back to text] The Pensacola News Journal, 9/20/98
  39. [Back to text] Paw Creek Ministries, Knights Of Malta And Saddam Hussein, End Times And Victorious Living Newsletter, 10/98: "Rick Joyner recently announced that he was knighted by the Knights Of Malta. Apparently, Paul Cain had already been knighted or was knighted at the same time. The entire story, as told by Rick Joyner, has come into my possession… The Knights of Malta is clearly a Catholic order with a military persona…'"
  40. [Back to text] Joseph Chambers, End Times and Victorious Living, Jan-Feb/99, p 13
  41. [Back to text] Rick Joyner for instance, as cited by Hank Haanegraff, Counterfeit Revival, p96: "In a vision concerning the endtime harvest... says Jesus revealed to him that there would be 'a great reaping among the Jehovah's Witnesses, Mormons, Seventh Day Adventists, and other sects in which there is a doctrinal mixture.' Jesus allegedly went on to point out that these sects would 'be won by love, not truth.'"
  42. [Back to text] May 27, 1999 (David Cloud, Fundamental Baptist Information Service, 1701Harns Rd., Oak Harbor, WA 98277) -
    "Mormons were invited to participate in the ecumenical March for Jesus this year on March 22 in Salt Lake City, Utah. On the day of the March, local organizer Maggy Fletcher said: …She said that though the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints has not endorsed the event, individual Mormons have expressed interest in participating 'and are welcome to do so' (Salt Lake Tribune, Sat., May 22, 1999).
    According to Fletcher, Mormons are part of the 'body of Christ.' 'The March for Jesus unites believers, regardless of color, race or denominations, into the Body of Christ. The names on the church buildings don't mean a thing,' she said.
    The national coordinator of March for Jesus, Tom Pelton, echoed Fletcher's sentiments, saying, "It's time to move beyond church walls to connect with one another and the community.'"
  43. [Back to text] Mike Bickle, "Divine Appointment," 3/29/89
  44. [Back to text] Wes Campbell, "Spiritual and Physical Manifestations of the Holy Spirit," Toronto Airport Vineyard, October 15, 1994
  45. [Back to text] John Wimber taught that "Evangelicals all over the country are worshiping the book… They took the very workings of the Holy Spirit and placed it in the Book." Contrary to Wimber, it was God who determined: "the sword of the Spirit" was to be "the word of God" (Eph 6:17).
  46. [Back to text] John Arnott, Toronto Airport Vineyard, Dynamics of Receiving Spiritual Experiences, Friday, November 18, 1994, 1:30 pm Audiotape Transcript, as cited by Bob Hunter, The Toronto Blessing.
  47. [Back to text] Emelio Martinez, Recuerdos [memoirs] de Antano (CLIE, 1909), p. 390, as cited by Dave Hunt, A Woman Rides the Beast.

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