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	<title>Comments on: Encountering G12 &#8211; Your Comments</title>
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		<title>By: johanne</title>
		<link>http://www.apologeticsindex.org/635-g12-government-of-12-2/comment-page-1#comment-93042</link>
		<dc:creator>johanne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Sep 2009 12:28:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hi guys, i just want to challenge everyone to list down all the g12 movement teachings and compare it to what the Bible teaches us. If it is not found in the Bible then i believe it is not of the Lord. It is all your choice anyway, your faith, and your salvation...  Just ask God for guidance...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hi guys, i just want to challenge everyone to list down all the g12 movement teachings and compare it to what the Bible teaches us. If it is not found in the Bible then i believe it is not of the Lord. It is all your choice anyway, your faith, and your salvation&#8230;  Just ask God for guidance&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel Xu</title>
		<link>http://www.apologeticsindex.org/635-g12-government-of-12-2/comment-page-1#comment-93033</link>
		<dc:creator>Daniel Xu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Sep 2009 08:22:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am Daniel Xu from Singapore. I attended a church that is in G12 Vision movement. Every year my church have G12 conference I have never miss out. My pastor is Ceasar international G12 pastor. After 8 years, G12 have brought many non-believers becoming believers in our church. The encounter is good for pre-believers and non-believers. The process is the encounter is great. Many have experience the love of God and power of God. Like every moment the each church there are problems in it when it is not handling it well. The network system, the appointing of 12 (mentor &amp; mentee) and the discipling problem. The governing itself that separated into 24 nets is crazy and problem between it the husband and wife in difference network. Commitment and submission is a must in the Vision. When come to mission and church planting it is not in the picture. If your church is not ready to adopt this church growth structure and strategy, please do not just simply follow because of others people successful stories. Hurts and damages will be more!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am Daniel Xu from Singapore. I attended a church that is in G12 Vision movement. Every year my church have G12 conference I have never miss out. My pastor is Ceasar international G12 pastor. After 8 years, G12 have brought many non-believers becoming believers in our church. The encounter is good for pre-believers and non-believers. The process is the encounter is great. Many have experience the love of God and power of God. Like every moment the each church there are problems in it when it is not handling it well. The network system, the appointing of 12 (mentor &amp; mentee) and the discipling problem. The governing itself that separated into 24 nets is crazy and problem between it the husband and wife in difference network. Commitment and submission is a must in the Vision. When come to mission and church planting it is not in the picture. If your church is not ready to adopt this church growth structure and strategy, please do not just simply follow because of others people successful stories. Hurts and damages will be more!</p>
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		<title>By: coy</title>
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		<dc:creator>coy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 15:32:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was born in a religion where sabbath was strictly observed, I dont eat pork and any other unclean food according to scriptures. But I was hippocrite, though I dont eat unclean foods, the food that comming out from my mouth is not clean either, I speak violently, I have very bad habbits such as fornication, adultery, drunkness, smoking, drugs, etc. I critizise other religion and judge Sunday worshipper as a sign of a member of the mark of the beast, for a sign of the beast are those people who does not follow the commandments of God including sabbath (which is true). I tried several times to change my life to stop the vices but I always failed.

Recently, our church was closed by our leaders because of financial disagreements. Back then, God opened my eyes. I saw the grave abuse of the commandments of God by our leaders. We observe sabbath literaly but without God&#039;s spirit and without love, I always after looking for sunset during sabbath so that I can do my natural chores and somethimes I do immoral acts even during friday night (which is sabbath already), and i observed that our pastors are only working on sabbath, in which other day than sabbath, they are just sitting in their house or in the office of the church. God made me realize that there&#039;s something wrong.

when I was first invited in a cellgroup, my mind was full of doubts back then regarding the basic fundamentals of foundation for I understand that faith is nothing without works, thus if you have faith, you should faithfully sabbath since it is one of the commandments from the creation of the world for it is said in the Book of Genesis &quot;God rested on the seventh day and blessed that day&quot; and even our Lord Jesus Christ rested on Sabbath (black saturday) and there is no order or command from our Lord that the sabbath shall be changed to 7th day to 1st day. But then, the cell leader told me that salvation is instant while transformation is another process. That then, God opened my eyes and saw the real thing. I saw that while these groups don&#039;t know how to observe sabbath, yet they observe sabbath literally and spiritually. Most students who have their cells also goes to schools from Monday to Friday, and during saturdays, they either sleep on their home or just go to their cells and during sundays they just go to church where they belong as a social gathering not as a day of rest. Thus, they did literally observe sabbath.

God is so good, He is a great Father, He is merciful and loving. I was arrested by God&#039;s love. I experience literally the essence of the cross and the reason of the cross, the reason of our salvation, the expression of God&#039;s love to us. Though I know ever since that our Master Jesus died on the cross for our sins but it never imprinted in my heart, its just on the mind, now, I know the reason of my existance, I am a property of God. I am His slave.

In no doubt, pastors, leaders, priests in other religion will get mad with this group for the remmitance of their church would be lessen.

Its just a caveat for our fellow brothers, don&#039;t do focus on the name of the group or religion but focus on Christ for He is the only one who can save us. Do not exhault G12 or the name of your religion such us Born Again, Baptist, SDA, etc.. but rather exhault the Name of our Lord, our forever loving Master.

I pray for love and peace be with you all... God bless.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was born in a religion where sabbath was strictly observed, I dont eat pork and any other unclean food according to scriptures. But I was hippocrite, though I dont eat unclean foods, the food that comming out from my mouth is not clean either, I speak violently, I have very bad habbits such as fornication, adultery, drunkness, smoking, drugs, etc. I critizise other religion and judge Sunday worshipper as a sign of a member of the mark of the beast, for a sign of the beast are those people who does not follow the commandments of God including sabbath (which is true). I tried several times to change my life to stop the vices but I always failed.</p>
<p>Recently, our church was closed by our leaders because of financial disagreements. Back then, God opened my eyes. I saw the grave abuse of the commandments of God by our leaders. We observe sabbath literaly but without God&#8217;s spirit and without love, I always after looking for sunset during sabbath so that I can do my natural chores and somethimes I do immoral acts even during friday night (which is sabbath already), and i observed that our pastors are only working on sabbath, in which other day than sabbath, they are just sitting in their house or in the office of the church. God made me realize that there&#8217;s something wrong.</p>
<p>when I was first invited in a cellgroup, my mind was full of doubts back then regarding the basic fundamentals of foundation for I understand that faith is nothing without works, thus if you have faith, you should faithfully sabbath since it is one of the commandments from the creation of the world for it is said in the Book of Genesis &#8220;God rested on the seventh day and blessed that day&#8221; and even our Lord Jesus Christ rested on Sabbath (black saturday) and there is no order or command from our Lord that the sabbath shall be changed to 7th day to 1st day. But then, the cell leader told me that salvation is instant while transformation is another process. That then, God opened my eyes and saw the real thing. I saw that while these groups don&#8217;t know how to observe sabbath, yet they observe sabbath literally and spiritually. Most students who have their cells also goes to schools from Monday to Friday, and during saturdays, they either sleep on their home or just go to their cells and during sundays they just go to church where they belong as a social gathering not as a day of rest. Thus, they did literally observe sabbath.</p>
<p>God is so good, He is a great Father, He is merciful and loving. I was arrested by God&#8217;s love. I experience literally the essence of the cross and the reason of the cross, the reason of our salvation, the expression of God&#8217;s love to us. Though I know ever since that our Master Jesus died on the cross for our sins but it never imprinted in my heart, its just on the mind, now, I know the reason of my existance, I am a property of God. I am His slave.</p>
<p>In no doubt, pastors, leaders, priests in other religion will get mad with this group for the remmitance of their church would be lessen.</p>
<p>Its just a caveat for our fellow brothers, don&#8217;t do focus on the name of the group or religion but focus on Christ for He is the only one who can save us. Do not exhault G12 or the name of your religion such us Born Again, Baptist, SDA, etc.. but rather exhault the Name of our Lord, our forever loving Master.</p>
<p>I pray for love and peace be with you all&#8230; God bless.</p>
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		<title>By: jason</title>
		<link>http://www.apologeticsindex.org/635-g12-government-of-12-2/comment-page-1#comment-92950</link>
		<dc:creator>jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 23:53:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have been part of a G12 church for about 5 years. It is not all of this negative things that every one is talking about. I have been on several encounters and even tought at some. Basics of an encounter is this it is a time alone with God for three days. The whole meaning behind it is this, to bring us closer to God by dealing with our own issues that keep us for the perfect will of God. If there is unresulved sin in your life, unforgiveness, whatever it may be it is dealt with. After all is this not what Jesus did with his disciples?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have been part of a G12 church for about 5 years. It is not all of this negative things that every one is talking about. I have been on several encounters and even tought at some. Basics of an encounter is this it is a time alone with God for three days. The whole meaning behind it is this, to bring us closer to God by dealing with our own issues that keep us for the perfect will of God. If there is unresulved sin in your life, unforgiveness, whatever it may be it is dealt with. After all is this not what Jesus did with his disciples?</p>
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		<title>By: david</title>
		<link>http://www.apologeticsindex.org/635-g12-government-of-12-2/comment-page-1#comment-92927</link>
		<dc:creator>david</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 01:02:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the g12 is 10000000% percent cult people have to understand that once your brainwashed at those encounters thats it...your brainwashed theres nothing you can do or tell that person..im sure its a cult so anyone who visits a g12 church run or you whole family will be in danger this thing is so serious.i believe it the anti christ...god bless</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the g12 is 10000000% percent cult people have to understand that once your brainwashed at those encounters thats it&#8230;your brainwashed theres nothing you can do or tell that person..im sure its a cult so anyone who visits a g12 church run or you whole family will be in danger this thing is so serious.i believe it the anti christ&#8230;god bless</p>
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		<title>By: annonymus</title>
		<link>http://www.apologeticsindex.org/635-g12-government-of-12-2/comment-page-1#comment-92910</link>
		<dc:creator>annonymus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jun 2009 17:31:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m in a church that&#039;s a part of G12 and I&#039;m about to leave because I feel like there is a lot of people being controlling and so forth. I don&#039;t feel comfortable being in that church anymore. If your church is about to be a part of G12 or anyone is inviting you to be in a church that involves encounters or School of Leaders or whatever or the church calls their Bible studies &quot;cells&quot;. Run away and don&#039;t look back. I saw a lot of people hurt from G12 and I don&#039;t want anyone else a part of this movement.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m in a church that&#8217;s a part of G12 and I&#8217;m about to leave because I feel like there is a lot of people being controlling and so forth. I don&#8217;t feel comfortable being in that church anymore. If your church is about to be a part of G12 or anyone is inviting you to be in a church that involves encounters or School of Leaders or whatever or the church calls their Bible studies &#8220;cells&#8221;. Run away and don&#8217;t look back. I saw a lot of people hurt from G12 and I don&#8217;t want anyone else a part of this movement.</p>
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		<title>By: Blessed child of God</title>
		<link>http://www.apologeticsindex.org/635-g12-government-of-12-2/comment-page-1#comment-92894</link>
		<dc:creator>Blessed child of God</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 May 2009 20:37:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is sad to read all the bitterness from people who have left the G12. Winning souls is a believers duty. The Bible tells us that &quot;he who wins Souls is wise&quot; and the G12 is a strategy that helps us win souls. But like anything else it can be abused. It is unfair to condemn the all VISION. It is not a doctrine, the only doctrine for us is what the bible teaches. I have been to the encounter in fact participated at the encounters and none of the things written in this article occured. I got closer to God, my personal relatinship with God has changed and become intimate, i have learned to hear and obey the Holy Spirit and depend on him to help me bring the gospel to those who have never heard about it. I have helped people know Christ and I enjoy doing it. G12 is heard work it is not for lazy people. If you don&#039;t like getting out of your comfort zone G12 is not for you maybe there is another strategy that can help you fulfil the great comission in Matthew 28:18-20. But remember the bible tells us that &quot;there is life and daeth in the tougue&quot; be slow to use it against others. God bless you as you find your way in Christ. B</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is sad to read all the bitterness from people who have left the G12. Winning souls is a believers duty. The Bible tells us that &#8220;he who wins Souls is wise&#8221; and the G12 is a strategy that helps us win souls. But like anything else it can be abused. It is unfair to condemn the all VISION. It is not a doctrine, the only doctrine for us is what the bible teaches. I have been to the encounter in fact participated at the encounters and none of the things written in this article occured. I got closer to God, my personal relatinship with God has changed and become intimate, i have learned to hear and obey the Holy Spirit and depend on him to help me bring the gospel to those who have never heard about it. I have helped people know Christ and I enjoy doing it. G12 is heard work it is not for lazy people. If you don&#8217;t like getting out of your comfort zone G12 is not for you maybe there is another strategy that can help you fulfil the great comission in Matthew 28:18-20. But remember the bible tells us that &#8220;there is life and daeth in the tougue&#8221; be slow to use it against others. God bless you as you find your way in Christ. B</p>
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		<title>By: annonymus</title>
		<link>http://www.apologeticsindex.org/635-g12-government-of-12-2/comment-page-1#comment-92867</link>
		<dc:creator>annonymus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 May 2009 06:00:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i am from northwest community church which is in orlando Florida i didn&#039;t want to write my name because of fear.... G12 is LIE believe me trust me they are brainwashing us or at least in Orlando is....people here makes them donate thousand of thousands of dollars.. this church comsumes lives  take a look u have to have a cell group that takes an hour of your day or probably night which one could be working... another day in school of leaders... anoter day with you own cell another day at church u are spending to much time they brainwash people and they make those people manipulate you until u become brainwashed as well the church needs to condem this group they are using what is called post trauma they bring things that could have been minimun and make them a big dealand generates guilt... i remember on post encounter the pastor and the high cell leaders told us that by donating to their church we are gonna be rewarded like i said G12 IS A LIE they are taking advantage of the people the church to persue their own agenda 
THEY NEED TO BE STOPED WE NEED TO STOP THEM BEFORE THEY BECOME A EVEN BIGGER FOE...
the bible states IN:
Galatians 1:10
Galatians 4:17
2 Timothy 3:6
2 Peter 2:3
2 Peter 2:18
Revelation 2:14
Revelation 2:20
READ IT! THATS WHAT G12 REPRESENT</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i am from northwest community church which is in orlando Florida i didn&#8217;t want to write my name because of fear&#8230;. G12 is LIE believe me trust me they are brainwashing us or at least in Orlando is&#8230;.people here makes them donate thousand of thousands of dollars.. this church comsumes lives  take a look u have to have a cell group that takes an hour of your day or probably night which one could be working&#8230; another day in school of leaders&#8230; anoter day with you own cell another day at church u are spending to much time they brainwash people and they make those people manipulate you until u become brainwashed as well the church needs to condem this group they are using what is called post trauma they bring things that could have been minimun and make them a big dealand generates guilt&#8230; i remember on post encounter the pastor and the high cell leaders told us that by donating to their church we are gonna be rewarded like i said G12 IS A LIE they are taking advantage of the people the church to persue their own agenda<br />
THEY NEED TO BE STOPED WE NEED TO STOP THEM BEFORE THEY BECOME A EVEN BIGGER FOE&#8230;<br />
the bible states IN:<br />
Galatians 1:10<br />
Galatians 4:17<br />
2 Timothy 3:6<br />
2 Peter 2:3<br />
2 Peter 2:18<br />
Revelation 2:14<br />
Revelation 2:20<br />
READ IT! THATS WHAT G12 REPRESENT</p>
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		<title>By: Marlon C.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marlon C.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Mar 2009 15:55:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m from the Philippines and have been in an Encounter and after some time since then preached in numerous encounter weekends, and believe me I am shocked with the details seen in this article. There is an urgency for us Christians to preach the Gospel to others and make disciples (mold the character of Christ to believers) and the traditional way of the church just can&#039;t do this. The great commission was given not to a select few, but for those who are one with Christ. I do believe some churches handle encounters differently and are doing it with psychological manipulations. But it only shows they were not able to catch the vision. Jesus changed the lives of people through His relationship with them and it is the same formula the G12 is applying. If the said details in the article are truly happening in some Encounter weekends, those people that are ministering there are in error, the encounter is done by the power of the Holy Spirit, not with psychology. And this is what has passed on to me by people with first hand information from MCI and Generations Church. Done by the power of the Holy Spirit, passed on through relationship. John 15:16</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m from the Philippines and have been in an Encounter and after some time since then preached in numerous encounter weekends, and believe me I am shocked with the details seen in this article. There is an urgency for us Christians to preach the Gospel to others and make disciples (mold the character of Christ to believers) and the traditional way of the church just can&#8217;t do this. The great commission was given not to a select few, but for those who are one with Christ. I do believe some churches handle encounters differently and are doing it with psychological manipulations. But it only shows they were not able to catch the vision. Jesus changed the lives of people through His relationship with them and it is the same formula the G12 is applying. If the said details in the article are truly happening in some Encounter weekends, those people that are ministering there are in error, the encounter is done by the power of the Holy Spirit, not with psychology. And this is what has passed on to me by people with first hand information from MCI and Generations Church. Done by the power of the Holy Spirit, passed on through relationship. John 15:16</p>
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		<title>By: Don Woods</title>
		<link>http://www.apologeticsindex.org/635-g12-government-of-12-2/comment-page-1#comment-92800</link>
		<dc:creator>Don Woods</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Mar 2009 15:21:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>G12: Impostor/Pastor Rich Witmer of Yuma Party Pics: 

Where The $$$$$$$$$$$ Really Goes:

John at generationscult.com has bravely documented the unethical/possibly illegal activity of one of g12&#039;s impostor/pastors in the following

John says:

&quot;I have collected various photos of Rich Witmer and his gang from publicly accessed Web sites. Their frequent vacations to various high-class resorts and locals should raise the awareness and concern of those they prey upon. If you have some photos that reveal Witmer as the charlatan that he is, please e-mail them to me at john@generationscult.com.

First, here&#039;s Mr Greed (Witmer) himself, childishly excited about the new BMW he bought with church tithes.

One of many SCUBA-diving trips the Witmers treat themselves to.

Diving in Maui.

Another vacation ... I think this is Las Vegas. Sin much? By the way, this is the &quot;before&quot; pic.

This is the &quot;after&quot; pic. Fake pastors (and fake boobs) on vacation. Who paid for those implants anyway? Hmm ... makes one wonder. Tithes?

That hair is really bad. But the pool looks nice -- and expensive. Obviously very high-maintenance.

Rich Witmer: An overweight Bully hanging out in Maui.

A mission to Bali? Or a vacation? Not hard to tell what&#039;s really going on . . . Who paid for those implants anyway?

Found this on the Internet. Check out the text below the banner: &quot;Our pastor, Rich Witmer, blesses us with an all-expense paid trip to the island paradise resort ...&quot; Who&#039;s REALLY paying for this?&quot;

See for yourself at:

http://blog.generationscult.com/2009/01/14/witmer-party-pics-where-the--really-goes.aspx

&quot;Therefore, ye shepherds, hear the word of the LORD;

[As] I live, saith the Lord GOD, surely because my flock became a prey, and my flock became meat to every beast of the field, because [there was] no shepherd, neither did my shepherds search for my flock, but the shepherds fed themselves, and fed not my flock;

Therefore, O ye shepherds, hear the word of the LORD; Thus saith the Lord GOD;

Behold, I [am] against the shepherds; and I will require my flock at their hand, and cause them to cease from feeding the flock; neither shall the shepherds feed themselves any more; for I will deliver my flock from their mouth, that they may not be meat for them.&quot;
(Ezekiel 34:7-10)

Witmer; &quot;Your Sin has found you out!&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>G12: Impostor/Pastor Rich Witmer of Yuma Party Pics: </p>
<p>Where The $$$$$$$$$$$ Really Goes:</p>
<p>John at generationscult.com has bravely documented the unethical/possibly illegal activity of one of g12&#8217;s impostor/pastors in the following</p>
<p>John says:</p>
<p>&#8220;I have collected various photos of Rich Witmer and his gang from publicly accessed Web sites. Their frequent vacations to various high-class resorts and locals should raise the awareness and concern of those they prey upon. If you have some photos that reveal Witmer as the charlatan that he is, please e-mail them to me at <a href="mailto:john@generationscult.com">john@generationscult.com</a>.</p>
<p>First, here&#8217;s Mr Greed (Witmer) himself, childishly excited about the new BMW he bought with church tithes.</p>
<p>One of many SCUBA-diving trips the Witmers treat themselves to.</p>
<p>Diving in Maui.</p>
<p>Another vacation &#8230; I think this is Las Vegas. Sin much? By the way, this is the &#8220;before&#8221; pic.</p>
<p>This is the &#8220;after&#8221; pic. Fake pastors (and fake boobs) on vacation. Who paid for those implants anyway? Hmm &#8230; makes one wonder. Tithes?</p>
<p>That hair is really bad. But the pool looks nice &#8212; and expensive. Obviously very high-maintenance.</p>
<p>Rich Witmer: An overweight Bully hanging out in Maui.</p>
<p>A mission to Bali? Or a vacation? Not hard to tell what&#8217;s really going on . . . Who paid for those implants anyway?</p>
<p>Found this on the Internet. Check out the text below the banner: &#8220;Our pastor, Rich Witmer, blesses us with an all-expense paid trip to the island paradise resort &#8230;&#8221; Who&#8217;s REALLY paying for this?&#8221;</p>
<p>See for yourself at:</p>
<p><a href="http://blog.generationscult.com/2009/01/14/witmer-party-pics-where-the--really-goes.aspx" rel="nofollow">http://blog.generationscult.com/2009/01/14/witmer-party-pics-where-the&#8211;really-goes.aspx</a></p>
<p>&#8220;Therefore, ye shepherds, hear the word of the LORD;</p>
<p>[As] I live, saith the Lord GOD, surely because my flock became a prey, and my flock became meat to every beast of the field, because [there was] no shepherd, neither did my shepherds search for my flock, but the shepherds fed themselves, and fed not my flock;</p>
<p>Therefore, O ye shepherds, hear the word of the LORD; Thus saith the Lord GOD;</p>
<p>Behold, I [am] against the shepherds; and I will require my flock at their hand, and cause them to cease from feeding the flock; neither shall the shepherds feed themselves any more; for I will deliver my flock from their mouth, that they may not be meat for them.&#8221;<br />
(Ezekiel 34:7-10)</p>
<p>Witmer; &#8220;Your Sin has found you out!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Bianca</title>
		<link>http://www.apologeticsindex.org/635-g12-government-of-12-2/comment-page-1#comment-92763</link>
		<dc:creator>Bianca</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Mar 2009 11:32:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have been attending the G12 church Generations for almost five years now and have seen how effective this vision is.  Each member of the church gets one on one ministry with a leader. The church is now at 1,400 people.  Thats amazing.  How many churches can you say that have that many people in them and all members get one on one ministry.  I do not think that G12 is the only way but I do believe it is the most effective way.  Pastor Rich Witmer lays his life down for people to know Jesus and the type of car he drives should not be an issue.  If my Pastor is going to preach about prosperity I sure would like to see it evident in his life.  I dont want my Pastor to tell me that if I am faithful God will bless me while he is driving a pinto and living in a trailer.  It is encouraging to know that through faithfulness to God I can be blessed too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have been attending the G12 church Generations for almost five years now and have seen how effective this vision is.  Each member of the church gets one on one ministry with a leader. The church is now at 1,400 people.  Thats amazing.  How many churches can you say that have that many people in them and all members get one on one ministry.  I do not think that G12 is the only way but I do believe it is the most effective way.  Pastor Rich Witmer lays his life down for people to know Jesus and the type of car he drives should not be an issue.  If my Pastor is going to preach about prosperity I sure would like to see it evident in his life.  I dont want my Pastor to tell me that if I am faithful God will bless me while he is driving a pinto and living in a trailer.  It is encouraging to know that through faithfulness to God I can be blessed too.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Girvin (youth leader)</title>
		<link>http://www.apologeticsindex.org/635-g12-government-of-12-2/comment-page-1#comment-92549</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew Girvin (youth leader)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jan 2009 18:09:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Iv been a christian for around 12 years and this G12 is the best form of outreach out there (i only found that out in April 08).  Tell me, if we are not encouraged by the leadership (that God has placed in these positions) to tell people of Christ and what He has done for us and even better has got planned for us, then can we really be followers of Christ?  In most work places they have targets to meet, so, at the end of their week or month they get their due monies - as Christians are target is it to prevent as many people as physically possible from going to hell (and yes there is a rush because time is very very short), our reward is therefore eternal far more important than anything else this world offers.  Iv been on the encounter weekend and believe me none of that stuff happened on ours, the weekend changed my whole outlook on how we set ourselves up as Christians and as the result of that i have seen some of my family commit to Christ and a few of my friends who by the way go to different churches, not just mine.  Ask yourself this: How many people am i gonna win for Christ this year - how many lives am i going to change and help.  THE GREAT COMMISION says it all, we will ALL have to give an account to Jesus on how we portrayed ourselves, how we reacted to situations, what we said about others (including Gods leadership, whether we agreed with them or not), how did we serve others and im sure there&#039;s more but read Matthew ch25 v31-46 sheep &amp; goats, also Matthew ch7 v18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit (G12 vision), please read this final verse, it&#039;s important that you know Philemon 1 v4-6.  From the previous comments, guys do not tar everyone with the same brush, your expierences are something only you can work out but it still comes down to seeing the lost won, Jesus didnt die on the Cross for us to sit on our backsides patting ourselves on the back and letting someone else always volunteer, there&#039;s a job to do and very little time to do it, whether G12 or local church we have a global goal, one common denominator, the Kingdom - and populating it.  May you all (agreed or not) be blessed and recieve all what Christ has for you, in this world and the next.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Iv been a christian for around 12 years and this G12 is the best form of outreach out there (i only found that out in April 08).  Tell me, if we are not encouraged by the leadership (that God has placed in these positions) to tell people of Christ and what He has done for us and even better has got planned for us, then can we really be followers of Christ?  In most work places they have targets to meet, so, at the end of their week or month they get their due monies &#8211; as Christians are target is it to prevent as many people as physically possible from going to hell (and yes there is a rush because time is very very short), our reward is therefore eternal far more important than anything else this world offers.  Iv been on the encounter weekend and believe me none of that stuff happened on ours, the weekend changed my whole outlook on how we set ourselves up as Christians and as the result of that i have seen some of my family commit to Christ and a few of my friends who by the way go to different churches, not just mine.  Ask yourself this: How many people am i gonna win for Christ this year &#8211; how many lives am i going to change and help.  THE GREAT COMMISION says it all, we will ALL have to give an account to Jesus on how we portrayed ourselves, how we reacted to situations, what we said about others (including Gods leadership, whether we agreed with them or not), how did we serve others and im sure there&#8217;s more but read Matthew ch25 v31-46 sheep &amp; goats, also Matthew ch7 v18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit (G12 vision), please read this final verse, it&#8217;s important that you know Philemon 1 v4-6.  From the previous comments, guys do not tar everyone with the same brush, your expierences are something only you can work out but it still comes down to seeing the lost won, Jesus didnt die on the Cross for us to sit on our backsides patting ourselves on the back and letting someone else always volunteer, there&#8217;s a job to do and very little time to do it, whether G12 or local church we have a global goal, one common denominator, the Kingdom &#8211; and populating it.  May you all (agreed or not) be blessed and recieve all what Christ has for you, in this world and the next.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeannette</title>
		<link>http://www.apologeticsindex.org/635-g12-government-of-12-2/comment-page-1#comment-92437</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeannette</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 13:06:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I had friends too that I loved very much but as soon as I left the church they haven`t spoken to me much nor have they called me. I had a leader who called me up and told me &#039;&#039;even if i don`t call doesnt mean that i dont love you&#039;&#039; I said to myself &#039;&#039;its like that verse that says if you dont have love, you are just a sounding gong&#039;&#039; I feel very sorry for them, I miss them but I  had to sacrifice those friendships for real truth. I did feel pulled at times because I missed them but I knew better not to go back because I knew those were not Jesus teachings. I prefer losing many friends to keep my only friend: Jesus. I pray for their own deliverance, that one day God will open their eyes to the truth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had friends too that I loved very much but as soon as I left the church they haven`t spoken to me much nor have they called me. I had a leader who called me up and told me &#8221;even if i don`t call doesnt mean that i dont love you&#8221; I said to myself &#8221;its like that verse that says if you dont have love, you are just a sounding gong&#8221; I feel very sorry for them, I miss them but I  had to sacrifice those friendships for real truth. I did feel pulled at times because I missed them but I knew better not to go back because I knew those were not Jesus teachings. I prefer losing many friends to keep my only friend: Jesus. I pray for their own deliverance, that one day God will open their eyes to the truth.</p>
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		<title>By: Fiona</title>
		<link>http://www.apologeticsindex.org/635-g12-government-of-12-2/comment-page-1#comment-92345</link>
		<dc:creator>Fiona</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jan 2009 22:47:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The G12 system is growing where I live, and I was in it a couple of years ago. I would like to see a sequel to this story. G12 seems to turn sweet little storefront communities of Christians into mass-production systems where peopel come out alike and my experience was a lot of pressure to give up critical thinking and individuality. I never went to the Encounter. Now I&#039;m glad. I&#039;ve found a church that values all the gifts the Lord gives us, including our uniqueness and rationality, and my real healing is happening fast. I miss my friends back there --they were closer than my real family -- but I had to look for the real truth, and I&#039;ve found it elsewhere.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The G12 system is growing where I live, and I was in it a couple of years ago. I would like to see a sequel to this story. G12 seems to turn sweet little storefront communities of Christians into mass-production systems where peopel come out alike and my experience was a lot of pressure to give up critical thinking and individuality. I never went to the Encounter. Now I&#8217;m glad. I&#8217;ve found a church that values all the gifts the Lord gives us, including our uniqueness and rationality, and my real healing is happening fast. I miss my friends back there &#8211;they were closer than my real family &#8212; but I had to look for the real truth, and I&#8217;ve found it elsewhere.</p>
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		<title>By: Dennis Y. Philippov</title>
		<link>http://www.apologeticsindex.org/635-g12-government-of-12-2/comment-page-1#comment-92276</link>
		<dc:creator>Dennis Y. Philippov</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Dec 2008 09:10:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is a very disturbing to see the results in 1,5 years as the G12 vision was adapted through the Russian speaking Church in Woodinville WA  and had been exported to the Baptist Churches in Russia at Kirov Region.  At first we went through the major split and still in the process of recovery.  Besides the mental and spiritual damages that was caused by Encounter procedure, the second issue really concerns me the most.   We have “encountered” a problem that is unheard of:  It is a suicide rate among the Christians and those that were involved in Encounter. I am really looking forward to read a Part II where will be analyzed some of the movement’s problematic doctrines and practices in the light of Scripture.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is a very disturbing to see the results in 1,5 years as the G12 vision was adapted through the Russian speaking Church in Woodinville WA  and had been exported to the Baptist Churches in Russia at Kirov Region.  At first we went through the major split and still in the process of recovery.  Besides the mental and spiritual damages that was caused by Encounter procedure, the second issue really concerns me the most.   We have “encountered” a problem that is unheard of:  It is a suicide rate among the Christians and those that were involved in Encounter. I am really looking forward to read a Part II where will be analyzed some of the movement’s problematic doctrines and practices in the light of Scripture.</p>
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