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		<title>By: Administrator</title>
		<link>http://www.apologeticsindex.org/229-joel-osteen/comment-page-1#comment-26748</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 11 May 2007 07:28:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: cullen bentley</title>
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		<dc:creator>cullen bentley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 May 2007 01:29:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i have read all this stuff and i am kinda thinking that to much time is spent on finding out what this man does not do instead of what he does. i have listened to him preach and even been to the church a couple of times to see what it was like after his father passed away. John was not the same as Joel. John preached about prosperity and love and also he did about heaven and hell and sin in peoples lives that needed to be forgiven and cleaned from the human nature. Joel has some truth in what he say. or else he could not get the response he does. What troulbes me is that at the end of his message he always offers the audience a chance to accept christ. This is fine and scriptural, but when he begins his prayer he wants the  people  to ask god to forgive them of their sins. This is my problem more than anything that he teaches becasue why would anyone ask for forgiveness when during the time he preached he not once mentions sin or sinners and the repentence they need to perform by conviction of the holy spirit unto salvation. This to me is worse than the prosperity messsage you all talk about. The lacking of mans sinful nature must be addressed and it is not..

Also god does financially prosper people and some very much so because he has to have people who have money to give to what he desires to be done and many times it takes alot of money. So yes a billionaire can be saved. But our eyes must first be upon god for one reason only to worship and serve him in the capacity he desires for each one of us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i have read all this stuff and i am kinda thinking that to much time is spent on finding out what this man does not do instead of what he does. i have listened to him preach and even been to the church a couple of times to see what it was like after his father passed away. John was not the same as Joel. John preached about prosperity and love and also he did about heaven and hell and sin in peoples lives that needed to be forgiven and cleaned from the human nature. Joel has some truth in what he say. or else he could not get the response he does. What troulbes me is that at the end of his message he always offers the audience a chance to accept christ. This is fine and scriptural, but when he begins his prayer he wants the  people  to ask god to forgive them of their sins. This is my problem more than anything that he teaches becasue why would anyone ask for forgiveness when during the time he preached he not once mentions sin or sinners and the repentence they need to perform by conviction of the holy spirit unto salvation. This to me is worse than the prosperity messsage you all talk about. The lacking of mans sinful nature must be addressed and it is not..</p>
<p>Also god does financially prosper people and some very much so because he has to have people who have money to give to what he desires to be done and many times it takes alot of money. So yes a billionaire can be saved. But our eyes must first be upon god for one reason only to worship and serve him in the capacity he desires for each one of us.</p>
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		<title>By: yon</title>
		<link>http://www.apologeticsindex.org/229-joel-osteen/comment-page-1#comment-26471</link>
		<dc:creator>yon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 May 2007 19:28:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Although I think that Joel Osteen does good in bringing people to God, I agree with the above comments. I think Christians want a relationship with Jesus Christ. I want a relationship with Jesus. However, when I hear Osteen&#039;s sermons, rarely do I hear Jesus&#039; name or teachings mentioned. Jesus is the light, the word, the door to heaven. Yet, it is odd that Osteen never mentions His name.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Although I think that Joel Osteen does good in bringing people to God, I agree with the above comments. I think Christians want a relationship with Jesus Christ. I want a relationship with Jesus. However, when I hear Osteen&#8217;s sermons, rarely do I hear Jesus&#8217; name or teachings mentioned. Jesus is the light, the word, the door to heaven. Yet, it is odd that Osteen never mentions His name.</p>
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		<title>By: Charlene Roberts</title>
		<link>http://www.apologeticsindex.org/229-joel-osteen/comment-page-1#comment-26112</link>
		<dc:creator>Charlene Roberts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 May 2007 12:45:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Daer Brother Joel,

My youngest son of 8 yrs old asked me in Jan 07 if we could start going to church.  I said sure let me find one.  One week later I decided to go to  church I had two churches in mind one close to my house for a 9:30 mass and one that is appx 30 mins from where I live for a 11:00 mass.  I have three children so we did not make the 9:30.  We did arrive @11:15 at the other church at first I felt bad because I was late, but then I said lets just go in it will be ok.  This was a church of no other. When we walked in their might of been 8 people in the church &quot;I said that&#039;s ok&quot; sometimes when we go to a big classroom we get timid.  I thought well this might be small but I will think of it as a special attention class. my little one of 16 months was clapping her hands to the music and I though how good looking all the people where.  Then a pastor stood up and asked us to open our Bible to Joshua.  My son said to me &quot;Hey Mom&quot; thats my name.  When did they write a story about me?  We have been going every week.  T Pray for the pastor to have more people come to his church on Sunday.   I have my Aunt&#039;church in Kentucky pray for more in his church.  I just thought maybe one sunday you could add him in your prayers.  His name is: John Elleson the church is located: 1307 E. Palatine Road, Arlington Heights, Il ph:847-259-0700.  Every Sunday we sing and rejoice to -Joel Osteen Live Simulcast.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Daer Brother Joel,</p>
<p>My youngest son of 8 yrs old asked me in Jan 07 if we could start going to church.  I said sure let me find one.  One week later I decided to go to  church I had two churches in mind one close to my house for a 9:30 mass and one that is appx 30 mins from where I live for a 11:00 mass.  I have three children so we did not make the 9:30.  We did arrive @11:15 at the other church at first I felt bad because I was late, but then I said lets just go in it will be ok.  This was a church of no other. When we walked in their might of been 8 people in the church &#8220;I said that&#8217;s ok&#8221; sometimes when we go to a big classroom we get timid.  I thought well this might be small but I will think of it as a special attention class. my little one of 16 months was clapping her hands to the music and I though how good looking all the people where.  Then a pastor stood up and asked us to open our Bible to Joshua.  My son said to me &#8220;Hey Mom&#8221; thats my name.  When did they write a story about me?  We have been going every week.  T Pray for the pastor to have more people come to his church on Sunday.   I have my Aunt&#8217;church in Kentucky pray for more in his church.  I just thought maybe one sunday you could add him in your prayers.  His name is: John Elleson the church is located: 1307 E. Palatine Road, Arlington Heights, Il ph:847-259-0700.  Every Sunday we sing and rejoice to -Joel Osteen Live Simulcast.</p>
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		<title>By: truthistheword</title>
		<link>http://www.apologeticsindex.org/229-joel-osteen/comment-page-1#comment-22686</link>
		<dc:creator>truthistheword</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Apr 2007 05:45:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Luke 6:19-21 
19And the whole multitude sought to touch him: for there went virtue out of him, and healed them all. 

 20And he lifted up his eyes on his disciples, and said, Blessed be ye poor: for yours is the kingdom of God. 

 21Blessed are ye that hunger now: for ye shall be filled. Blessed are ye that weep now: for ye shall laugh.


Matthew 19:24
And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.

I believe that pretty much sums it up :-) 

Amen</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Luke 6:19-21<br />
19And the whole multitude sought to touch him: for there went virtue out of him, and healed them all. </p>
<p> 20And he lifted up his eyes on his disciples, and said, Blessed be ye poor: for yours is the kingdom of God. </p>
<p> 21Blessed are ye that hunger now: for ye shall be filled. Blessed are ye that weep now: for ye shall laugh.</p>
<p>Matthew 19:24<br />
And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.</p>
<p>I believe that pretty much sums it up :-) </p>
<p>Amen</p>
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		<title>By: jake crook</title>
		<link>http://www.apologeticsindex.org/229-joel-osteen/comment-page-1#comment-19732</link>
		<dc:creator>jake crook</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Apr 2007 13:44:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joel Osteen is nothing more than a false teacher.  His heresy is sending countless numbers of people straight into the flames of hell.  You will never hear anything of sin, righteousness, or judgement from this inspirational speaker.  I pray that if you are a professing Christian, that you will take the time and look at the 10 commandments and let them break you as you see how you have broken everyone of them.  Then look to the cross and see the true grace of Christ in that while we are so wicked and vile, he still died for us.  And truly examine yourself and see if you have been born again.  If not, then repent of your sins and put your trust in the savior.  Go to Wayofthemaster.com and click on &quot;are you a good person?&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joel Osteen is nothing more than a false teacher.  His heresy is sending countless numbers of people straight into the flames of hell.  You will never hear anything of sin, righteousness, or judgement from this inspirational speaker.  I pray that if you are a professing Christian, that you will take the time and look at the 10 commandments and let them break you as you see how you have broken everyone of them.  Then look to the cross and see the true grace of Christ in that while we are so wicked and vile, he still died for us.  And truly examine yourself and see if you have been born again.  If not, then repent of your sins and put your trust in the savior.  Go to Wayofthemaster.com and click on &#8220;are you a good person?&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Richards</title>
		<link>http://www.apologeticsindex.org/229-joel-osteen/comment-page-1#comment-19655</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Richards</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Apr 2007 10:41:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>God just showed me how to finish what I was trying to say through a small cartoon clip that begun when I turned the TV on this morning.

Do you remember what Jesus did when he came across the 10 lepers? Jesus healed them all. He wanted them all to be clean and to have &quot;much&quot;. 9 of the people could not handle &quot;much&quot; because they couldn&#039;t recognize that all things come from God. One man stayed to give thanks to God. This is the child that can handle &quot;much&quot;, and I&#039;m sure, did much with what God had given to him. 
Luk 17:11-19
PBTG</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>God just showed me how to finish what I was trying to say through a small cartoon clip that begun when I turned the TV on this morning.</p>
<p>Do you remember what Jesus did when he came across the 10 lepers? Jesus healed them all. He wanted them all to be clean and to have &#8220;much&#8221;. 9 of the people could not handle &#8220;much&#8221; because they couldn&#8217;t recognize that all things come from God. One man stayed to give thanks to God. This is the child that can handle &#8220;much&#8221;, and I&#8217;m sure, did much with what God had given to him.<br />
Luk 17:11-19<br />
PBTG</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Richards</title>
		<link>http://www.apologeticsindex.org/229-joel-osteen/comment-page-1#comment-19452</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Richards</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Apr 2007 02:48:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I believe that Joel is speaking in a world that is full of preachers and priests that think and preach that you must suffer. If you don&#039;t suffer than you truly must not be a Christian.

Have any of you ever finished one of Joels broadcast&#039;s? He always finishes with the simple truth of Christianity. and never ask&#039;s anyone to attend or give to his ministry. It seams to me that Joel obviously has God&#039;s favor. 

How many of you want your children to have more than your self, be more successfull than yourself and have a better life than you have had. I believe our nation was founded by our fathers searching for a better life for us. Wouldn&#039;t it make sense that our Father in heaven would want the very same thing for His children. As a father I would only want as much success as my child could respect and handle in a dignified way. If I had one child that new that everything comes from God and respected all that God gave them, I would want them to have much. This child would be able to do much for God with what He gave them. If I had another child that wanted everything and thought that everything came from thier doings, that child would be full of conceit and could do very little for God. I would want this child have very little, because worldly wealth would most likely destroy this child. 

Each writer I&#039;m sure has a different view of what wealth is. To one a loaf of bread is wealth to another a wallet full of paper that others will trade you things for is wealth. We all may have an idea, but I think we will ALL be surprised what God&#039;s definition of wealth is. 

I believe that God has given Joel Osteen a calling to share with Chritain&#039;s and non Christian&#039;s that God wants the best for all of us. If He didn&#039;t why did he come and go through such a horrible death for us. I think that some believe that they must go through suffering even to the point of hanging on a cross themselves. Any suffering that I do for my salvation takes away from Christ. Christ&#039;s suferring was sufficiant for my sin. 

My Father may choose to have me suffer so that I may grow through my suffering and he also may  choose to give me great things so that He may do great things through me.

It seams to me that 70,000 people hearing the bottom line of salvation is a job well done by Joel Osteen. Not to mention all of those who see his weekly broadcast.

PRAISE BE TO GOD.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe that Joel is speaking in a world that is full of preachers and priests that think and preach that you must suffer. If you don&#8217;t suffer than you truly must not be a Christian.</p>
<p>Have any of you ever finished one of Joels broadcast&#8217;s? He always finishes with the simple truth of Christianity. and never ask&#8217;s anyone to attend or give to his ministry. It seams to me that Joel obviously has God&#8217;s favor. </p>
<p>How many of you want your children to have more than your self, be more successfull than yourself and have a better life than you have had. I believe our nation was founded by our fathers searching for a better life for us. Wouldn&#8217;t it make sense that our Father in heaven would want the very same thing for His children. As a father I would only want as much success as my child could respect and handle in a dignified way. If I had one child that new that everything comes from God and respected all that God gave them, I would want them to have much. This child would be able to do much for God with what He gave them. If I had another child that wanted everything and thought that everything came from thier doings, that child would be full of conceit and could do very little for God. I would want this child have very little, because worldly wealth would most likely destroy this child. </p>
<p>Each writer I&#8217;m sure has a different view of what wealth is. To one a loaf of bread is wealth to another a wallet full of paper that others will trade you things for is wealth. We all may have an idea, but I think we will ALL be surprised what God&#8217;s definition of wealth is. </p>
<p>I believe that God has given Joel Osteen a calling to share with Chritain&#8217;s and non Christian&#8217;s that God wants the best for all of us. If He didn&#8217;t why did he come and go through such a horrible death for us. I think that some believe that they must go through suffering even to the point of hanging on a cross themselves. Any suffering that I do for my salvation takes away from Christ. Christ&#8217;s suferring was sufficiant for my sin. </p>
<p>My Father may choose to have me suffer so that I may grow through my suffering and he also may  choose to give me great things so that He may do great things through me.</p>
<p>It seams to me that 70,000 people hearing the bottom line of salvation is a job well done by Joel Osteen. Not to mention all of those who see his weekly broadcast.</p>
<p>PRAISE BE TO GOD.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob</title>
		<link>http://www.apologeticsindex.org/229-joel-osteen/comment-page-1#comment-17575</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Apr 2007 19:11:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I find it quite interesting and revealing that the centerpiece and focal point that Osteen speaks his messages before is not the Cross but a giant model of THE WORLD. All devoted Bible studying people will find this to be representitive of Mr.Osteen&#039;s teachings. I watched his message on TV today (Easter) and heard nothing about our sinful nature and our need for a Redeemer but twice he refered to these convicting teachings as Junk! God Help Him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find it quite interesting and revealing that the centerpiece and focal point that Osteen speaks his messages before is not the Cross but a giant model of THE WORLD. All devoted Bible studying people will find this to be representitive of Mr.Osteen&#8217;s teachings. I watched his message on TV today (Easter) and heard nothing about our sinful nature and our need for a Redeemer but twice he refered to these convicting teachings as Junk! God Help Him.</p>
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		<title>By: jen flores</title>
		<link>http://www.apologeticsindex.org/229-joel-osteen/comment-page-1#comment-14146</link>
		<dc:creator>jen flores</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Mar 2007 09:58:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have won my aunt to Jesus Christ, who is the way, the truth and the life. I have encouraged her to read the bible also.  However, she is drawn to listen to Joel Osteen and is now hooked to his ministry. How can I convince her that his teaching is not biblical!  Please help.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have won my aunt to Jesus Christ, who is the way, the truth and the life. I have encouraged her to read the bible also.  However, she is drawn to listen to Joel Osteen and is now hooked to his ministry. How can I convince her that his teaching is not biblical!  Please help.</p>
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		<title>By: Rev MG</title>
		<link>http://www.apologeticsindex.org/229-joel-osteen/comment-page-1#comment-4625</link>
		<dc:creator>Rev MG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jan 2007 16:47:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t want this to come off sounding holier-than thou. For certain, I am not. I echo the thoughts of many of you. Whether it is Joel Osteen or another prosperity, positive thinking guru. Whether it is Rick Warren and his watered-down, sugar coated, out of context, I - centered ministry.

The focus of the western church today is not Jesus Christ. It is all about me. The emphasis is placed on &quot;I&quot;. It starts with &quot;I believe&quot;, while disregarding the fact that Paul says in Ephesians that &quot;faith itself is a gift from God lest we should boast&quot;. We move then to &quot;I accept&quot;, and then &quot;I chose&quot; regardless of the Scriptural truth laid out by Christ throughout the book of John and echoed in Romans and Ephesians. There is no synergism in salvation. We are saved through no merit and no action on our part. It is not of our Will that we can &quot;seek&quot; Him out. Romans 9:14 tells us we cannot &quot;run&quot; or &quot;will&quot; our way to God. What oxy-moron are we buying into with this &quot;seeker sensitive&quot; philosophy we&#039;re instilling. 

What I find especially appalling is that while these types encourage and embrace the worldly pursuit of treasures, making these symbolic of faith... they are willing to overlook that which the Bible calls sin in the name of sensitivity (or is it really fear of biting the hand that feeds them). What we are seeing today is nothing but the &quot;Itching Ears&quot; Syndrome that Paul wanred Timothy would come. It started long ago, and is increasing in energy and momentum. A little leaven has snowballed into an apostate generation. Praise be to God that He knows His sheep and His sheep will hear his voice over the noisemakers like Osteen and Warren.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t want this to come off sounding holier-than thou. For certain, I am not. I echo the thoughts of many of you. Whether it is Joel Osteen or another prosperity, positive thinking guru. Whether it is Rick Warren and his watered-down, sugar coated, out of context, I &#8211; centered ministry.</p>
<p>The focus of the western church today is not Jesus Christ. It is all about me. The emphasis is placed on &#8220;I&#8221;. It starts with &#8220;I believe&#8221;, while disregarding the fact that Paul says in Ephesians that &#8220;faith itself is a gift from God lest we should boast&#8221;. We move then to &#8220;I accept&#8221;, and then &#8220;I chose&#8221; regardless of the Scriptural truth laid out by Christ throughout the book of John and echoed in Romans and Ephesians. There is no synergism in salvation. We are saved through no merit and no action on our part. It is not of our Will that we can &#8220;seek&#8221; Him out. Romans 9:14 tells us we cannot &#8220;run&#8221; or &#8220;will&#8221; our way to God. What oxy-moron are we buying into with this &#8220;seeker sensitive&#8221; philosophy we&#8217;re instilling. </p>
<p>What I find especially appalling is that while these types encourage and embrace the worldly pursuit of treasures, making these symbolic of faith&#8230; they are willing to overlook that which the Bible calls sin in the name of sensitivity (or is it really fear of biting the hand that feeds them). What we are seeing today is nothing but the &#8220;Itching Ears&#8221; Syndrome that Paul wanred Timothy would come. It started long ago, and is increasing in energy and momentum. A little leaven has snowballed into an apostate generation. Praise be to God that He knows His sheep and His sheep will hear his voice over the noisemakers like Osteen and Warren.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob Briggs</title>
		<link>http://www.apologeticsindex.org/229-joel-osteen/comment-page-1#comment-4394</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob Briggs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Jan 2007 17:25:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To teach people God wants everyone rich financically is not what is meant in the Bible.
if that were true, what of third world countries? Is everyone that believes in Jesus
supposed to drive a Corvette? I don&#039;t think so!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To teach people God wants everyone rich financically is not what is meant in the Bible.<br />
if that were true, what of third world countries? Is everyone that believes in Jesus<br />
supposed to drive a Corvette? I don&#8217;t think so!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Al</title>
		<link>http://www.apologeticsindex.org/229-joel-osteen/comment-page-1#comment-2796</link>
		<dc:creator>Al</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Dec 2006 04:20:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t know why people who belong to the prosperty &quot;gospel&quot; just don&#039;t admit that money is their god? Joel is an example in point. He has watered Christianity down to a sugar coated &quot;feel good&quot; ism that appeals to people who are not serious about God, but in their own fiancial gain. They don&#039;t go to church to give to God, but to get from God. Their concept of God is some kind of cosmic slot machine. This is a sign of the times. American &quot;Christianity&quot; is nihilistic, materialistic, self-centered and idolatrous. This fact is best represented in churches like Osteen&#039;s. This guy doesn&#039;t even preach the Scriptures. He&#039;s just another motivational teacher. People go to his church to feel good and get an experience. And Osteen provides this form them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know why people who belong to the prosperty &#8220;gospel&#8221; just don&#8217;t admit that money is their god? Joel is an example in point. He has watered Christianity down to a sugar coated &#8220;feel good&#8221; ism that appeals to people who are not serious about God, but in their own fiancial gain. They don&#8217;t go to church to give to God, but to get from God. Their concept of God is some kind of cosmic slot machine. This is a sign of the times. American &#8220;Christianity&#8221; is nihilistic, materialistic, self-centered and idolatrous. This fact is best represented in churches like Osteen&#8217;s. This guy doesn&#8217;t even preach the Scriptures. He&#8217;s just another motivational teacher. People go to his church to feel good and get an experience. And Osteen provides this form them.</p>
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		<title>By: John Shepherd</title>
		<link>http://www.apologeticsindex.org/229-joel-osteen/comment-page-1#comment-2018</link>
		<dc:creator>John Shepherd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Dec 2006 02:27:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One of the problems I have with Osteen, among  many is this. If something is true, it’s true in every corner of the globe, for all people, for all time. His brand of &quot;Christianity&quot; speaks to the ease and comfort that we experience in America, where the biggest daily battle for many is what flavor Starbucks to get in the morning, or even worse, battling a low self-esteem. Do you really think his message of self-esteem and self love would be relevant to Polycarp, the bishop of Smyrna, who in 155 AD was MARTYED for his faith in Jesus? He was burned at the stake and jabbed with a spear!! Would Osteens message be relevant to any of the millions of people who were slaughtered during those early waves of persecution in church history? Or any group of Christians going through  persecution, including our brothers and sisters who even now are dying by the TENS of THOUSANDS every week? What most Americans fail to realize is that this country and its ideals are a small experiment in the grand scheme of history. We have a myopic view,  assuming that history MUST be filled with wonderful examples of freedom loving democratic societies. History shows us the opposite is true. If Osteens message isn’t applicable to the Christians being slaughtered in the Sudan, is it applicable for me or for you? Can you imagine the persecuted church gathering secretly, meeting underground and talking about &quot;Your Best Life Now&quot;? No, they are clinging to the Word of God. As should you, as should I. Brothers and Sisters, we need to move away from the Osteen self-esteem gospel of &quot;I can do all things&quot; back again to &quot;I can do all things through CHRIST which strengthens me&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of the problems I have with Osteen, among  many is this. If something is true, it’s true in every corner of the globe, for all people, for all time. His brand of &#8220;Christianity&#8221; speaks to the ease and comfort that we experience in America, where the biggest daily battle for many is what flavor Starbucks to get in the morning, or even worse, battling a low self-esteem. Do you really think his message of self-esteem and self love would be relevant to Polycarp, the bishop of Smyrna, who in 155 AD was MARTYED for his faith in Jesus? He was burned at the stake and jabbed with a spear!! Would Osteens message be relevant to any of the millions of people who were slaughtered during those early waves of persecution in church history? Or any group of Christians going through  persecution, including our brothers and sisters who even now are dying by the TENS of THOUSANDS every week? What most Americans fail to realize is that this country and its ideals are a small experiment in the grand scheme of history. We have a myopic view,  assuming that history MUST be filled with wonderful examples of freedom loving democratic societies. History shows us the opposite is true. If Osteens message isn’t applicable to the Christians being slaughtered in the Sudan, is it applicable for me or for you? Can you imagine the persecuted church gathering secretly, meeting underground and talking about &#8220;Your Best Life Now&#8221;? No, they are clinging to the Word of God. As should you, as should I. Brothers and Sisters, we need to move away from the Osteen self-esteem gospel of &#8220;I can do all things&#8221; back again to &#8220;I can do all things through CHRIST which strengthens me&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob, Australia.</title>
		<link>http://www.apologeticsindex.org/229-joel-osteen/comment-page-1#comment-2017</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob, Australia.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Dec 2006 00:11:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was absent from the Assemblies of God for nearly 30yrs (from 1979) and the difference now is TOTAL! The Gospel of salvation seems to have been upsized to the gospel of prosperity and personalities. Where&#039;s the precious word of God in all of this? Bring back the old time religion! Please!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was absent from the Assemblies of God for nearly 30yrs (from 1979) and the difference now is TOTAL! The Gospel of salvation seems to have been upsized to the gospel of prosperity and personalities. Where&#8217;s the precious word of God in all of this? Bring back the old time religion! Please!!</p>
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